Ireland: Kilkenny/Dublin - Bowes, Bowe, Irving, Springer - Ely Carroll Group

Early Haplotype Origins

This group is haplogroup R1b1b2a1b5, defined by SNP L21. There is much debate about where and when the individual who first showed this mutation lived. 

An Irish Sept Connection

This subgroup matches the modal representing the O'Carrolls of Litterluna from the Ely Carroll area (Ysearch ID #TG7S3), based on the DNA test by a descendent of:

Philip Acosta Carroll - 1879 - Baltimore, MD

Governor John Lee Carroll - 1830 - MD

Charles Carroll - 1801 - MD

Charles Carroll - 1775 - MD

Charles Carroll of Carrollton - 1737 - MD

Charles Carroll of Anapolis - 1702 - MD

Charles the Settler - 1661 - IRE

Daniel - Litterluna

Known place of origin: Ballymacadam Castle

Comments: O'Carrolls of Leitir Lugna (Litterluna)

This information is found at the FTDNA Carroll DNA Project website. If you click on "Carroll Family DNA Values," you will get a pdf file. Enlarge this to about 400%. About two-thirds of the way down there is a group of Carrolls colored green. One is kit no. 112378. Far to the right on the pdf file is his ancestry.

A separate FTDNA Ely Carroll DNA Project is underway.

For a good historical overview of Ely Carroll, see The O'Carroll's of Ely O'Carroll. [1]

There is a work-in-progress document at the Ely Carroll Yahoo! Group website exploring theories about the Bowe/Carroll connection.

The Founding Bowe Family Of Ireland

This group's very early founding in Ireland, and ***absent any other such subgroups to date (they could still turn up)***, may indicate that it's DNA represents the founding Bowe family of Ireland, whose surname according to our Distribution and Frequency data appears to have originated in Laois near Abbyleix with a possible prior connection to Boe in Kilkenny. No doubt some other Bowe/s families from Ireland having a different DNA signature are examples of non-paternity events wherein a male child fathered by someone with another surname was raised by and assumed the surname of this Bowe group.

It's not yet clear whether this group was always from the midlands, or came up from Cork as the Irish surname historians contended. The O'Carroll connection is only established in the Y chromosome, patrilineal lineage. There could have been a non-paternal event wherein a male Carroll (or other Ely Carroll surname) conceived a son with a Bowe worman whose history was Cork, and then the son being raised as a Bowe.

Family Branches Cladogram

There are several possibilities here, to be refined as more people join this subgroup.

How to Interpret a Cladogram

Subgroup Cladogram 1 (.pdf)

Subgroup Cladogram 2 (.pdf)

Subgroup Cladogram 3 (.pdf)

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1. Peter Carroll, “The O'Carroll's of Ely O'Carroll,”  article, Peter Carroll, South Wales Carrolls (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~swalescarrolls/ElyoCarrolls1.htm:  posted April 2009).

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